“A mate mentioned nan awesome statistic that Liverpool person not vanished little than eighth successful nan convention since being promoted to nan aged First Division successful 1962. Taking nan 1962-63 play arsenic nan starting point, what is nan lowest position that each existent Premier League teams person vanished betwixt 1963 and nan present?” inquire nan lads astatine nan Star and Dragon Pub, Carbondale, Illinois. “And what is nan lowest immoderate squad has fallen that has played astatine slightest 1 play successful nan apical section since 1962-63?”
How nan mighty haven’t fallen. Liverpool person shown singular consistency since they were promoted to nan apical formation 63 years ago. They’ve vanished eighth connected 4 occasions (1962-63, 1993-94, 2011-12 and 2015-16) and are nan only English squad successful that play ne'er to extremity a play extracurricular nan apical half of nan apical flight.
Thanks to Pete Salmon and Mike Slattery successful peculiar for doing nan activity connected this answer. Let’s commencement pinch nan lowest positions successful nan convention ladder achieved by nan existent Premier League teams.
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Liverpool 8th (1962-63, 1993-94, 2011-12, 2015-16)
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Arsenal 17th (1975-76)
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Everton 19th (1979-80)*
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Manchester United 23rd (first successful 2nd tier, 1974-75)
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Tottenham Hotspur 25th (1977-78)
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West Ham United 29th (1979-80)
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Chelsea 40th (1982-83)
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Newcastle United 42nd (1991-92)
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Manchester City 47th (third successful 3rd tier, 1998-99)
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Aston Villa 48th (1970-71)
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Leeds United 49th (2007-08)
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Nottingham Forest 51st (2005-06)
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Sunderland 52nd (2019-20)
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Crystal Palace 55th (1962-63)
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Wolves 72nd (fourth successful 4th tier, 1986-87)
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Fulham 85th (1995-96)
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Brentford 87th (1973-74)
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Bournemouth 89th (2008-09)
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Burnley 90th (1986-87)
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Brighton 91st (1996-97, 1997-98)
* Everton were not relegated arsenic location were 22 teams successful nan English apical flight.

Fifty-eight teams person played successful nan apical formation since Liverpool’s promotion successful nan summertime of 1962. Six person dropped retired of nan Football League astatine immoderate stage: Carlisle, Leyton Orient, Luton, Notts County, Oldham and Oxford. The lowest finishers of nan six were Leyton Orient, who came 13th successful nan National League (105th overall) successful 2017-18.
While we’re here, we looked astatine nan lowest positions achieved by various European giants successful nan aforesaid period. Before anyone starts foaming astatine nan removal of Beloved Superstars FC, we restricted it to teams who person won nan European Cup/Champions League much than once. Here’s really nan European Super League (Legacy Edition) looks; nan large numbers are nan lowest convention position for each team.
6th
Barcelona 1962-63, 1964-65, 1987-88, 2002-03
Benfica 2000-01
8th
Liverpool 1962-63, 1993-94, 2011-12, 2015-16
9th
Porto 1969-70
Real Madrid 1976-77
12th
Bayern Munich 1977-78
13th
Ajax 1964-65
Internazionale 1993-94
17th
Milan 1980-81, 1982-83 (first successful Serie B)
21st
Juventus 2006-07 (first successful Serie B)
23rd
Manchester United 1974-75
40th
Chelsea 1982-83
51st
Nottingham Forest 2005-06
Eagles’ Wembley compilation
“I’ve now seen Crystal Palace assistance 4 different trophies astatine Wembley (Zenith Data Systems Cup, Championship playoff trophy, FA Cup, Community Shield),” writes Toby Kinder. “Manchester United and Liverpool ne'er managed nan ZDS, but person some won nan European Cup there, arsenic good arsenic each nan home trophies, truthful are astir apt connected 4 too. Can immoderate different nine hit that?”
Selhurst Park, Sunday, 2pm is each we person to opportunity connected this subject. “I consciousness bad for doing this, fixed nan manufactured beef stirred up betwixt our clubs this summer, but Nottingham Forest tin spell (at least) 1 amended than Palace erstwhile it comes to winning different trophies astatine Wembley,” says Jim Hearson.
“Forest tin spot nan Eagles’ FA Cup (1959), Charity/Community Shield (1978), Championship playoff trophy (2022) and Full Members’ Cup – some Simod and ZDS varieties (1989, 1992) – and raise them a fistful of League Cups (1979, 1989, 1990).

Jim adds: “Forest were besides victorious astatine nan Wembley-held Football League Centenary Tournament successful 1988 but, arsenic they weren’t full-length matches, immoderate uncharitable types whitethorn not wish to count it.”
Chelsea person besides won 5 trophies astatine Wembley: FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, Full Members’ Cup … and nan League South Cup successful 1945. “Chelsea hit Millwall 2-0 successful beforehand of a crowd of 90,000,” writes Julian Croker. “Eight of nan squad were really impermanent players registered to different clubs.”
Tom Solano nominates West Ham, whose 5 trophies were nan Football League War Cup, FA Cup, Charity Shield, Cup Winners’ Cup and Championship playoff. Sadly, we can’t count nan 1966 World Cup, won by a Hammers-heavy England astatine Wembley.
More philharmonic institution for Vincent
In nan Knowledge past week we looked astatine footballers whose names were opus titles, a mobility inspired by CMAT’s Vincent Kompany. Thanks to nan dozens of you – we had nary thought location were truthful galore readers – who sent successful immoderate of nan songs we’d missed. We’ve included links for nan astir popular/interesting ones, pinch nan remainder rounded up astatine nan bottom.
Thiago Silva – Dave ft AJ Tracey
George Best – The Wedding Present
This is an medium alternatively than a song
The Scent of Roy Keane – SHLUG
Hamish (the Goalie) – Michael Marra
A tribute to Dundee United’s Hamish McAlpine, covered present by – yep – Leo Sayer
Bob Wilson, Anchorman – Half Man, Half Biscuit
Roger Milla – Pepe Kalle
“It’s been my ringtone for years,” writes Billy. “Nothing better.”
Ich, Roque – Sportfreunde Stiller
“Roque Santa Cruz moreover stars successful nan video,” writes Jonas Jessen.
The Ballad of Paul Tierney – Lonely Tourist
“Includes nan glorious lines: ‘The gaffer wants a connection pinch you / We’re sending you connected indebtedness to Crewe’,” says Declan Kehoe.
God’s Footballer – Billy Bragg (about Peter Knowles)
Strachan – The Hitchers
Zola – Wonder Villains
“The man himself appears successful nan video!” writes Meabh successful Belfast.
We’ve rounded up nan remainder below, splitting them by position to debar 1 never-ending database of songs we’ll perchance ne'er perceive anyway.
Goalkeepers Kasey Keller – Barcelona | Edwin van der Sar – Dackelblut
Defenders Titus Bramble – Kruz Leone and Duppy | Julian Dicks, nan Terminator – Flat Back Four | Bobby Moore Was Innocent – Serious Drinking | Joey Jones – The Declan Swans | Sliding In (Like McGrain) – Big Wednesday | Nice One Cyril – Cockerel Chorus
Midfielders Declan Rice – ODUMODUBLVCK | Paul Scholes – Yukari Fresh | (Jamie) Jamie Pollock – International Strike Force | Dele – Taco Hemingway | Bakayoko – Taco Hemingway | Roy Keane – Brame and Hamo | Gary Speed – Lars Vaular
Forwards Romário – Depth Charge | #RiyadMahrez – RK ft Sofiane & Hornet La Frappe | Ashley Barnes – Bacchus | Charlie George connected Super 8 – Flyscreen | Mario Balotelli – Ruff Sqwad | Wayne Rooney – Johnny Flynn & The Sussex Wit | Johnny Rep – Mickey 3D | Drogba (Joanna) – Afro B | Hitti-litti Litmanen – Martti Servo | Messi – Neo Pistea | Kubala – Joan Manuel Serrat | Robin Friday – Mirror Pictures | When Robin Friday went to Cardiff – The Deckchairs | My Friend Cubilas (sic) – Badly Drawn Boy | Riquelme – Lukid | Eric Cantona Stomp – Superpunk | Johnny G (The Guidetti Song) – Badpojken ft Frida Green | Bergkamp – Midfield General
Manager Jurgen – Scorcher ft D Double E
Finally, Brendan Herron comes base accusation astir an full medium of songs astir footballers. “A mates of years back, a Belgian DJ (and amateur footballer) successful Berlin by nan sanction of Gratts asked each of his chap DJ mates to lend a way to a compilation album. There’s much inheritance on this Bandcamp page.
And present is nan way database successful full:
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Paco Buyo
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Tony Yeboah
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Tony Vairelles
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The Flying Dutchman
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Ik West Het, Philippe Albert
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O Fenomeno
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Discorentin Martins
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Romário’s Pants
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Gheorghe Boy
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George Best
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Clayton Blackmore
We’ll beryllium honest, we did not expect to beryllium finishing a conception connected songs named aft nan footballers pinch nan words “Clayton” and “Blackmore”.
Knowledge archive
“On Sunday Scott Brown, Celtic midfielder and Scotland captain, scored against Scott Brown, Aberdeen goalkeeper,” wrote Paul Reilly successful 2015. “Are location immoderate different instances of a subordinate scoring past his namesake?”
As Scott Walden emailed to constituent out, successful 2012-13 Gloucester City had nan pleasing operation astatine nan backmost of goalkeeper Mike Green and cardinal defender Mike Green. Confusion was ever apt to beryllium a consequence and it came to a calamitous caput successful September successful an FA Cup 2nd qualifying information fixture against Thatcham Town.
Four minutes earlier nan break, nan Tigers were 1-0 and cruising. Then disaster struck. The Gloucester Citizen picks up nan tale: “[Jack] Coventry worked immoderate abstraction connected nan near but his transverse looked to beryllium thing much than a speculative effort. However, left-back Green and Matt Coupe sewage their wires crossed successful trying to clear and nan erstwhile poked retired a ft and sent nan shot past his goalkeeper and into nan net.”
A bad time for Mike Green and Mike Green ended good however, pinch Gloucester moving retired 2-1 winners.
Can you help?
“Seven of nan 9 matches successful Ligue 1 past play vanished 1-0,” notes Liam Togher. “That’s 78% of nan games. Has location ever been a much communal lawsuit of 1 circumstantial scoreline successful a azygous gameweek?”
“Shelbourne and Linfield meet successful nan Conference League tomorrow, conscionable complete a period aft they played each different successful Champions League qualifying. Has this happened before? If so, who were nan first teams to play each different successful 2 different European competitions successful nan aforesaid season?” asks Mad Mac.
“Every personnel of Tottenham’s starting XI successful nan Uefa Super Cup represented a different nationality: Italy, Austria, Argentina, nan Netherlands, Spain, Uruguay, Portugal, England, Senegal, Ghana and Brazil. Add Lucas Bergvall for Sweden, Mathys Tel (and respective PSG players) for France, players representing Morocco, Ecuador, Georgia and South Korea turning retired for PSG, and unused subs from Russia, Czechia, Wales and Croatia. I make that 17 nationalities connected nan transportation and 21 successful total. Is this nan astir nationally divers shot lucifer of each time?” wonders Jack Hayward.
“While nan convention array connected gameweek 1 is beautiful meaningless, I do for illustration nan anomaly of a squad who hasn’t played yet being comfortably mid-table pinch zero points. The mobility is, really agelong into a play has it ever been wherever nan bottommost 3 grounded to people immoderate points, truthful hypothetically a squad who hadn’t played immoderate games astatine each would still beryllium extracurricular nan relegation zone?” wonders James Rowland.
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